Bats and bots and regenning

[Kahless_uk]

this is the official line on the matter.

The use of regens is 100% legal and beyond any whining or moaning in all but the following situations:

1 You are currently located in the EFZ system, regenning and roleplay are forbidden here.
2 You are currently taking part in an event in which the organiser has specified no regenning
3 You are engaged in an agreed upon pvp in which BOTH parties agreed before fighting started not to regen

If you attack someone, they can regen, if you attack someone, you can regen..if you say "pvp" you can regen and so can they, if you say "pvp no regen" and they agree regenning is a complete no-no.

It's really no more complicated than that

[Koumori]

I've often wondered about many player's overly hostile attitude towards regens here, because there doesn't seem to be a lot of logic to it.

People say it's 'poor sportsmanship'... Why, exactly? What's that, It makes the fight a bit longer?! Oh no, how dreadful! We can't allow this!
Alright, I'm no fan of long fights myself, that's why I don't regen in a fighter, but that doesn't make it impossible for me to continue to be civil to someone just because they regenned and I ended up fighting them for longer than I'd have liked.

The whole point of not regening is to make game more interesting.

And that statement really isn't any better- I surmise the logic behind it is that it makes fights shorter so you can engage a new opponent all the sooner (if there's one around). Okay fine, but, publically lynched though I may be for suggesting it, consider for a moment the extra dimentions that could potentially be added to combat if regenning was generally acceptable-
It's you verses one of those ghastly [pirate / rogue / navy / alien / innocent bystander] types. In a few passes, both your sheilds are down- he regens his right back up, you don't. Seeing this, he closes in to drop a torp on you and blow away your hull. You take him head on, and in the confusion of gunfire he loses his shield and doesn't have time to react because- foom!

Guess who exploded?

That's right- him! Because you employed some of those clever little Shield Batteries(tm) the moment before the torpedo hit! What an ingenious tactic you've invented, you clever devil you.

Not to mention all the everyday stuff, like people taken by surprise by a hostile being able to undo the surprise-damage and start the fight on an even footing without having their ear chewed off, thus helping reduce all this stink about non-rogues jumping on people without warning.

'More interesting', eh?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating mass regenning for here on out, but I think people should calm down a bit about the issue and try to think straight for a moment.

For example- a rogue once attacked me while I was peacefully trading in my Thoth so, to put the ship to its intended use, I simply regenned and engaged. By dint of continuing to regen, I won the fight and saw the blighter off, and he had the sheer gall to whine at me for regenning. Not that that stopped him from attacking me though- several times I tried to run but he forced me to stay and beat him a few more times, continuing to complain all the while- very much suggesting that he wasn't at all enjoying the fight that he nevertheless kept initiating.

If there is any logic to those actions whatsoever, and it turns out the universe isn't put together the way I thought it was, please let me know so I can start digging the bunker.

To reiterate- I'm not saying everyone should start regenning, I just wanted to give a few reasons why the chaps who get all angry about regenning probably shouldn't be quite so angry.

[[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus]

[quote="shonensan";p="188002"]I hope the best pvpers of the server will not start regening or they will really be unbeatable...then you will see how much players will start to cry  @-)

Bats, bots, missiles are all things that will mark you forever as a noob because are tools that will not make you a better pvper. Now if you don't care about this...do you still wonder why this server is dieing?[/quote]

It had to be said. I'm with you on that. Fully.

[Koumori]

do you still wonder why this server is dieing?

No, I don't, because I for one assume it's because of the same kind of bloody elitism your post is full of.

Leaving aside for now the fact that you're condemning an alternative style of combat just because you don't like it, this server is about more than PVPs- you can tell by the fact that it's got more than one bloody system and all the weapons aren't free in the first bloody base you come across; so why make one aspect of the game the all-dominating element?
Who cares how good you are at PVP? You don't get a medal and a big bag of money at any point for being the best on the server. Therefore I don't understand why you'd elevate one, single aspect of the game to such a status that you'd condemn anything that doesn't directly enforce it.

There's at least one server out there where are regens being deployed without a second thought, and I know for a fact that this particular unnamed server gets more activity than Void.
To summarise- regens don't kill servers. Enough of the bloody witch-hunt.

[RAF-Hatchet]

Edited
shhhhh Len

[kill-phil]

@ Kumori, your two posts on this topic make the most sense I have heard on this subject and very eloquently put. We all know which server you are referring to (the one with over 100 players on a regular basis). Fights on that server can last a bit longer than some players might like but then it is a role play server so you do all you can to avoid being killed. Here on the Void with little or no role play there is only pvp, we can see quite clearly from the numbers on each server which one is the most popular.

[Koumori]

Regene is allowed but we all know that it is a wrong thing to do and you can't deny it.

Watch me- I do it like this: Regenning is not a 'wrong' thing to do. Why should it be? As I said, it's effectively just extra hull and sheild capacity- all it does is make fights longer, yet you use the word 'wrong', and talk about it like it's amoral or something.

Elitist attitude? If you practice you can even become better than me but that is something that it's too hard to understand uh? Yes you just log in pretending to be the best without knowing anything about how to pvp

You're missing the point. I know full well I could theoretically become better than you if I practised, but I don't care about my skill at a computer game nearly enough to do so- I have better things to do on this game than consiously and meticulously refining my skills like, say, actually having fun.
I have also never once pretended to be the best, or even more skilled than I actually am- I spend most of my time ingame attacking anyone I meet, which gives them plenty of opportunity to see how good my skills really are, which is to say, average at best.

you regene is because you don't want to die

In some cases, perhaps, but to many people (before they try it here and end up getting bawled into next tuesday) it's just standard procedure- the nanobots are just an extension of the hull. By your logic, people use armour upgrades simply because they don't want to be killed, too. It doesn't have be be an act of cowardice under all circumstances.

Well you can tell me that a lot of players her don't want to be the best pvper of the void...ok i can accept that but then why these players can't accept to be killed knowing that there are players here that fight to be the best?  Lot of hypocrisy in this server...

People who can't accept being killed are not the issue here- that sort of attitude is more the problem of the people who have it than anyone else's, because you can guarentee that nothing they say it going to erase that little 'skull & crossbones' symbol next to the server's name in the list.

[Zebulon]

.... and off he goes again in the huff.  

Read Khaless's reply.

Most players who have been here a while and partake in killing each other for the fun of it know that it is considered "bad form" to regen. Under any other circumstances the use of regening is permitted. Its part of the game just like rockets and torps ok?  Most of us choose not to - seems that we feel its more fun to die quickly........

So here is a suggestion.  IF you dont want to get "shouted" at and you are instigating combat PLEASE do not regen.  IF you have been attacked and wish to evade and avoid your attackers then PLEASE DO regen if you have to.  IF you enter a PvP with another player and there is an initial misunderstanding PLEASE do not then proceed to call the other player a "regener".  Ask if they were aware of the non regen pvp agreement.  IF they say that they were not aware of it then explain it to them - if they agree to this then PvP and fight to your hearts content.  IF they disagree with it and do not want to abide by it - DONT PvP with them.  Its not realy that confusing.   IF however I find that people are getting nasty about other players using regening it will be classed as harassment and the Zebinator will come into effect and y'all know what that means.......!

DONT "VERBALY" ABUSE OTHER PLAYERS THAT CHOOSE TO REGENERATE.  Just shoot em. If they dont want to play then leave them alone and go hunt down more entertaining prey.  Persuade rather than berate them - that way they may come round to your way of thinking.  

Its not rocket science realy..... #-o

[[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus]

[quote="Zebulon";p="188046"]Persuade rather than berate them - that way they may come round to your way of thinking.[/quote]

Doesn't always work.  :-??

[Maverick]

Of course I could make myself a cuppa tea and write a page-long post here, but you know what? I got better things to do.

Instead I'm gonna draw this ridiculously off-topic:

[quote="Zebulon";p="188046"]...the Zebinator will come into effect and y'all know what that means.......![/quote]
OMG, he managed to get himself a customized Zebinator now!  8-X  Run people! There goes the world!

[[IFU]Warchief]

Excuse me but why haven't all these great fighters signed up for the pvp tournament. They brag how good they are sign up and prove it. Just remember its a fair fight 1on 1 face each other no shooting from ambush. I would expect after all thier bragginjg they would sign up now or maybe they can't back up thier claims in a fair fight.