ROGUE and [R] tags

[Burn]

1.Most rogues  are already part of some clan or the other. In most cases they are part of some evil clan. So the question of them joining somewhere else just doesn't arise.
Ask the rogues about this,whether they are part of an existing clan or not.

That's good to hear m8!Now they can contribute to the RP of the server (return to clans)instead of solo useless rampages targeting everyone.

2. Many have played the RP really well.
Jase-Katar's Markus is the one of the most brilliantly played rogue characters,not just in Void but imo  in the entire FL community. It matches the toughest standards of RP set in RP oriented servers like Disco etc.(This guy has left Void and plays STO now,would he ever return after this rule change?)

I see that ONLY one name has been stated (Jase-Katar's Markus)  /:) This just prooves my theory is right...

There will always be some selfish immature jerk wanting to shoot at everything without any sense. The best way to deal with it is by locking this attitude in a particular RP that is firmly under the controls of Admins.

The best way to deal with this is to advise those individuals to read the rules and if they mass kill it will result in a ban.

Players will find some other way to express this selfishness.

As long as they express it in a clan i have nothing against it.Join BL or Reavers ftw.Rogues were not allowed to join clans(this is probably the 10th time i'm writing this) and this fact (that they can't join a clan) was the main reason for me to disqualify the R tag from a RP point of view.

Void imo could easily come into Top 3 servers again if RP here improves.
I am not talking of Enforced RP for everybody but at least enforce RP for clans.
There are many people from other servers who would love to play in an ''relaxed RP'' environment mixed with good quality PvP.
Believe me there is "strong demand" for such a server and Void could meet this demand if server rules are changed to enforce RP among clans and differentiate 'PvP for Sport' from 'PvP for RP'.

And that's exactly whhat's being done by removing the R tag.It should result in an increase of RP on the server.Just like you have mentioned Rogues used to be in clans untill they decided to give it a go as a Rogue(wch also ment a downfall of clanmember numbers).Now they should return to their clans or create new ones.

(Btw,if and when player count improves people will demand the Rogue RP back and this decision will have to be revisited inevitably.

As long as it doesn't return as the old style [R] like Strail has mentioned.

[[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus]

Was going to just sit and watch this thread, but hey. Could comment on many points but it's effort. xD But, you ask for competent Rogues, Burn?

Vansen <- Massively overlooked, excellent in the role
Markus <- Already mentioned
Digger <- Players like him we need to entice back (I.e. 2112 restored + lag kicker - not going to happen though)
Ghost/Urami <- Same as Digger
Venom <- Need I go on?

There are/were/have been plenty of people good at flying as an [R], these people destroy most of your arguments. There's just a load of nubs who weren't/aren't. And it's those who validate your arguments.

'Tis a fickle situation, my friend.

This said, I am glad that there are now active attempts at improving the Void. As long as people listen to each other, we can only go up.

[Burn]

Digger,Ghost,Venom = DTA members

Everybody (except traders) liked the DTA as they were a group/clan of criminals (very well organised at killing and very active) this also attracted the attention of the navy clans to protect the gates BUT as soon as a "change" was imposed...  

Thx

[=ESF=XENON]

[quote="[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus";p="226013"]Was going to just sit and watch this thread, but hey. Could comment on many points but it's effort. xD But, you ask for competent Rogues, Burn?

Vansen <- Massively overlooked, excellent in the role
Markus <- Already mentioned
Digger <- Players like him we need to entice back (I.e. 2112 restored + lag kicker - not going to happen though)
Ghost/Urami <- Same as Digger
Venom <- Need I go on?

There are/were/have been plenty of people good at flying as an [R], these people destroy most of your arguments. There's just a load of nubs who weren't/aren't. And it's those who validate your arguments.

'Tis a fickle situation, my friend.

This said, I am glad that there are now active attempts at improving the Void. As long as people listen to each other, we can only go up.[/quote]

im sorry to say so , but these group of rogues in the past "DTA" caused 2 things to this server.

1- they brought a lot of fun and activity by their nice role play
2- they cause severe damage later when most of then ignored the fair game spirit and over-killing

So Don't come and say that these people are the best rogues , no actually , they weren't the best but they weren't the worst too - everybody do some mistakes.

PS: your last line in your last reply is very good , please do abide it and don't start a flame war just because i directed to you some words here.

regards,
XENON

[[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus]

I never mentioned DTA.

I gave a couple examples of people who were good at the Rogue RP when in an [R] char.

[Burn]

Yeah but the definition of the Rogues :-B :

"All rogues will be tagged [R]
Rogues may not be in a clan and may not tax
Rogues by their nature and activity should be deemed KOS (kill on sight) by other players."


@staff i copy pasted this from the server rules section...quite surprised that it still is there...

Just a heads up.

[[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus]

I don't fully understand the point you're trying to make. Those rules apply to Rogue characters. People can still have clan chars.

E.g. I have a Mercenary character. Doesn't mean you can hire my BL one, in any way, shape or form.

[Burn]

Yes but if you're already a BL why not stick to this RP only?

I mean it would be quite strange to see a Navy clan member switching to a Rogue or Pirate one...
it could be done for fun of course but it might create more confusion and even harm a clans reputation on the server.

[cmdrsaman]

Back to the topic a bit: no offense, but what is there to stop rogues who abused the tag from doing the same thing with an untagged character now?

[Burn]

[quote="cmdrsaman";p="226029"]Back to the topic a bit: no offense, but what is there to stop rogues who abused the tag from doing the same thing with an untagged character now?[/quote]

This server rule:

"Any player, by there actions; forcing a fellow player to leave the server because of multiple killing, abuse, or harassment will be banned. Players with this selfish attitude are not wanted on this server. Players facing this abuse are to send a PM with unaltered screen shots to an Admin here on the web site, or speak in game to Server staff."


But now that the R tag is gone things will slowly settle down in my opinion.

[edam]

death of a dalek  :(

[anoyingnomad]

Dalek wasn't R tagged

[URAMI]

[quote="[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus";p="226013"]
Ghost/Urami <- Same as Digger

There are/were/have been plenty of people good at flying as an [R], these people destroy most of your arguments. There's just a load of nubs who weren't/aren't. And it's those who validate your arguments.

This said, I am glad that there are now active attempts at improving the Void. As long as people listen to each other, we can only go up.[/quote]
Thanks!  :D

I hope everyone is doing well.

[Darth_Vader]

[quote="Burn";p="226031"]
But now that the R tag is gone things will slowly settle down in my opinion.[/quote]

exactly what draugr said... nothing is going to stop ppl from abusing except for pure BANS from admins. this way, you had a warning before you got abused. sensors are pretty good, so you could still get away when u see an [R], now all you will see is a regular, every day freelance, but OH, what a surprise, he's NOT.

and to everyone who's saying something about sticking to one clan, one RP blah, blah, blah: you all have traders, don't you?

[Burn]

There will be a significant downfall in abuse due to the removal of the [R] tag.

The [R] tag abuse gave players the opportunity to kill everyone and have an excuse for it.(ex: okey i'm a Rogue i have to kill everyone now and i won't get reported for it - go go go)

Now that it's gone former rogues will hopefully return to their clans or try a fresh start as a freelancer.(being a freelacer you have the opportunity of in-game choise- while as a Rogue you only had one goal...shoot everyone down ftw -or get shot down while trying)

I'm not saying that freelancers should stop killing each other.
Just as long as they play accordantly to the rules of the server.

and to everyone who's saying something about sticking to one clan, one RP blah, blah, blah: you all have traders, don't you?

Nothing wrong with that. Trading should be differnceiased from a clans RP...so if i see a navy clan member switching to his Trader and buying Cardamine to later sell it i have nothing against it!

Trading gives one more in-game freedom.But if you're really a hardcore RP-er then go for it and buy/sell only goods from bases wich are neutral/friendly to your RP.

You will always have a freedom of choice while being a trader.