ROGUE and [R] tags

[Darth_Vader]

trading is still an RP and everyone has traders, navy, evil, BL and Reavers alike. seeing a reaver hop into a trader and vice-versa is no different than seeing a navy hop into a rogue. don't get me wrong, i have nothing against either of those, a man feels like playing a different RP, so he does it...

i've never abused anyone, not as a reaver, not as a rogue, but when i was coming everyone knew what to expect, now there's nothing stopping me from playing an [R] with normal freelancer tags, and that is pretty much what i will do, i can assure you of that.

[Burn]

now there's nothing stopping me from playing an [R] with normal freelancer tags, and that is pretty much what i will do, i can assure you of that

Yes but now you have been given a choise.Nobody is obligating you to act like a [R] as a freelancer.

The choise will always be yours of course...

trading is still an RP and everyone has traders, navy, evil, BL and Reavers alike. seeing a reaver hop into a trader and vice-versa is no different than seeing a navy hop into a rogue

There is a diffrences as i have never seen a Trader going on solo Rampages on this server  :)

[cmdrsaman]

There is one other thing, though: the lack of any effort by players to protect traders. The lack of police and navy RP also hurt the rogue RP, not to mention pirates and other unlawfuls: the rogue RP just deteriorated the fastest because by its nature, it's done by individuals, and not clans. The other two are following suit, though. The only clan I've seen actively protecting traders in recent times was n*o, for which I applaud them - but they alone are not enough. As things work now, without any regulations, or at least guidance from the server staff, I don't think any meaningful RP is going to happen here. Which leaves us with everyone sitting at Demo or Sparta. Which, in turn, is hardly going to attract new players to stay on long.

For example: just yesterday, I chased two Marauders, a trader and his escort, across several systems. (Since I did warn them beforehand, they knew I was coming.) I enjoy the hunt, and being hunted, which you'd expect to happen if you're flying through populated systems in an unlawful character, pursuing a small convoy. In the end, I got the trader before he jumped through the NY gate, but the escort got away. (Word of advice: if nobody's in the system, have the freighter jump first :P) So then I had the trader ask me why I did this, what I gained from it. Well, aside from the obvious fact that we're enemies, there wasn't much, as killing him didn't bring any action. The same day, I've also had a group of three pirates try to tax me and a clanmate right after we entered the system: they were nowhere near us, but I guess they're simply so bored with the lack of action in their role that they'd jump at the slightest chance of any of it happening.
So, aside from the other unlawfuls, who's gonna hunt unlawfuls? :P

I wouldn't be surprised if many rogues went on "solo rampages" simply because they wanted to attract attention, and nothing they did did. After all, putting an [R] tag on has afaik always been viewed as intentionally making yourself a highly visible target as well. (Also, don't forget that anyone else is able to kill anyone else without warning at will, so the rogue tag was about attracting attention. If someone wanted to go on solo rampages silently, all they had, and have, to do is make an untagged char :) )

Strail, you've mentioned that you're up for discussion about a viable form of a rogue RP. How about handing the tag out by request only, and more importantly, forbidding freelancers to shoot others without warning and without reason? That would create a reason for the [R] tag to exist, and solo rampages (if they're a problem) wouldn't be a problem anymore. I believe we have enough server staff to be able to uphold that rule, and players can also police themselves as well - there isn't a need for at least one a/v to be online at any given time, people could post screenshots as well. (Better to do that than to just submit them privately, so that the other party has a chance to tell their tale too, not to mention if there were any other witnesses.)

[Burn]

everyone sitting at Demo or Sparta

Been at Demo last evening and nobody was sitting around...all were fighting!4S,BL,Marauders,Syndicate and i would like to congratulate them for that!

forbidding freelancers to shoot others without warning and without reason?

Way to harsh in my opinion!Somebody mentioned several times that this is a shooting server.
What's the point in buying guns then?You'd force freelancer to only do missions
So a big Nay-No from me


All it needs right now is time to see how things evolve.From a RP pont of view,in-game activity,economic-trading, "rampaging" freelancers?,Pleasure Andriods invasion of Sirius? etc etc

Time will tell...

[TheLaughingMan]

Pirates may ask for tax otherwise that isn't about RP at all
Why not warn or even bann who not using the R tag properly?

[Blazin_uk]

I maybe wrong but didnt you bring out the tag to warn players that they will be shot at, due to the amount of complaints of untagged players killing for no reason?

Sure there was still many complaints even when the tag came out but atleast it gave the players the initial warning and they could either fight or run away.

Now as the tag has been taken away for the moment, there is gonna be a high demand of admin/guard activity on the server to police the overkill rule. There will be alot of complaints flooding admin pm boxes just like before. I think a good suggestion which some have expressed, is admins can only give certain people Rogue chars so they can be policed, smack a trial period for anyone who wants to be a rogue and if they fail, well they fail and cant become one. Possibly have a few rules for the rogues that pass the trials but not loads, just a few so when they play its fun for everyone not just themselfs.

[Burn]

smack a trial period for anyone who wants to be a rogue and if they fail, well they fail and cant become on

And if they think that they are worthy of the Rogue RP yet don't pass the trail what then? (more frustration and killing as freelancer char
)
Who's going to take the decisions on who passes the trials?On what criterea?

And once a player passes the trial he will play accordantly at the begin but later on he'll be drawn to abuse again using trail pass as excuse.

And what exactly do you have to do to pass a trial as a Rogue?Mass shooting of targets?The more the better?

Only Jase played accordantly becasue he posted about his in-game experiences in the RP section sharing it with the community.

As long as a Rogue is suppose to be a loner he can't contribut to anything around here in my opinion.

[Burn]

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I maybe wrong but didnt you bring out the tag to warn players that they will be shot at, due to the amount of complaints of untagged players killing for no reason?

I don't think that a tag is needed to warn players that they will be shot at
I don't think that you really need a reason to open fire at another player in a shooting game (as long as you keep it within the rules)

And complaints will always be - before,during and after the R tag

[[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus]

[quote="cmdrsaman";p="226079"]I've also had a group of three pirates try to tax me and a clanmate right after we entered the system: they were nowhere near us, but I guess they're simply so bored with the lack of action in their role that they'd jump at the slightest chance of any of it happening.[/quote]

This stands out to me.

Those 'pirates' are absolutely terrible at their role if they did that. Such terrible pirates flooded the tag and made it look bad, demoralising the good pirates and giving them a bad name. Said good pirates give up - lots no longer even play. Piracy as an RP suffers.

Remaining nub pirates are bored because it has suffered.

[TheLaughingMan]

[quote="Strail";p="225925"]Its good to see that people have opinions and are still interested enough to post about the change.
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aye opinions...
...but more players like to post something foolish than play the game. some recent suggestions from players who actualy don't playing just posting 'n posting...

hostiles just asking each other for pvp all around the server. If you want to start something called RP then you have to w8 until they finish the PvP

Void is become to peaceful society and it's my mistake too because i'm a friendly EVIL but if i will change alone then everyone will be my hostile only.
so shall we all cut the crap and start fight eachother ingame?

[Vansen]

And what exactly do you have to do to pass a trial as a Rogue?Mass shooting of targets?The more the better?

Only Jase played accordantly becasue he posted about his in-game experiences in the RP section sharing it with the community.

As long as a Rogue is suppose to be a loner he can't contribut to anything around here in my opinion.

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If, and thats a big if, Admin do decide to hand out a [R] liscence on a trial period i dont think anyone in their right mind would accept that invitation. there are far, far to many small minded nasty people playing here at the moment that you would be setting yourself up for a fall. How many players would be after them with the SS button at the ready...

As for Jase, he was bloody awsome as a Rogue but i resent the fact that you think he was the only good Rogue just because he posted alot on the forums. He was damn good at that aswell, i loved his Jase/Markus saga, but not posting alot on the forums dont mean your not good at RP ingame. There are a load of great players that RP other roles and dont post alot...does that make them bad at RP ???

As for the loner not contributing anything...i think im correct in thinking that you are the same Burn that had an impressive kill count on NPCs and missions? All that time you was out there smacking NPCs about, im betting most of it was spent alone. You contributed nothing to the server BUT you was having fun...why should it be different for other players that want to fly solo ???

Im not having a dig at you mate, im just after your opinion...please feel free to shout at me or tell me to be quiete. Im very thick skinned  :)

[Darth_Vader]

[quote="Vansen";p="226130"]
If, and thats a big if, Admin do decide to hand out a [R] liscence on a trial period i dont think anyone in their right mind would accept that invitation. there are far, far to many small minded nasty people playing here at the moment that you would be setting yourself up for a fall. How many players would be after them with the SS button at the ready...[/quote]

i would be the first in line... i don't care who'd have an SS button on the ready because i never have and never will break the rules, not as a rogue, not as a reaver, not as a frelancer...

As for the loner not contributing anything...i think im correct in thinking that you are the same Burn that had an impressive kill count on NPCs and missions? All that time you was out there smacking NPCs about, im betting most of it was spent alone. You contributed nothing to the server BUT you was having fun...why should it be different for other players that want to fly solo ???

here i have to defend burn a little... he was having fun alone, but he didn't bother anyone else either while certain rogues (i still have no idea who are those as i never heard of a rogue getting banned for abuse) had their fun at the expense of other players.

[Burn]

As for the loner not contributing anything...i think im correct in thinking that you are the same Burn that had an impressive kill count on NPCs and missions? All that time you was out there smacking NPCs about, im betting most of it was spent alone. You contributed nothing to the server BUT you was having fun...why should it be different for other players that want to fly solo ???

True,i had indeed an "impressive kill count on NPCs and missions" and all of them were done alone (without any help)
If i'd get help i'd kill less npc  :)
So yes you are correct on that part but i did contribute to the server as my kills were listed on a website called crysphere wich had a link to Voidserver right next to my nickname and killcount.
I always had that in mind the upper i go with my kill count i drag the Voidserver link with me.
Yes i had fun but by my actions i didn't "harm" other players.I didn't cause frustration by killing other players due to a tag. (R)



Now non tagged Freelancer have a choise how to play in-game without being incouraged of wearing any tag wich enables them to go on killing sprees around Sirius sector.

Im not having a dig at you mate, im just after your opinion...please feel free to shout at me or tell me to be quiete. Im very thick skinned

Don't worry mate i'm all good.Feel free to ask more (and this goes for all)

here i have to defend burn a little... he was having fun alone, but he didn't bother anyone else

cheers

[Vansen]

cool...i can see where your coming from now  :)

[cmdrsaman]

Yeah, but let's not forget the other side of the coin: should somebody have killed him even once, he was prone to firing off his mouth at them :P Not to mention his recent outburst at the staff that got his original username banned for a time - though the post has of course been deleted, don't think that's been forgotten.

Now, about trials for becoming a licensed rogue: actually, I think a publicly posted RP backstory would be a must, to show that the character does have a reason to go on killing sprees, and its player can actually play the rogue RP well. (If they can take the effort to think up and write a background for their character, I'm fairly certain they'll also be able to play the role well in-game too.) Preferrably, it would be good if they also had to drive their reps with the House navy/police factions into the ground :P Other than these, I don't see any reason for trials: what difference would some pvp kills make? :) Any candidate could just hop into a sniper setup and kill a couple of new players who are clanned flying about, so that would hardly tell anyone anything.